Discuss: “Lost” Ep. 6.4 “The Substitute”
16 February 2010
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So we know that John Locke isn’t exactly John Locke anymore. We also know that bodies are being “claimed” by something or someone on the Island. What does this have to do with “The Substitute”? Time to find out. Leave all your feedback here: Questions, comments, and/or theories, of course!
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They need to explain this claiming thing quickly.
Gather ’round boys n’ girls! Keep it clean and keep it fun!
Looking like lots of Man In Locke storyline tonight, this is a good thing.
John Locke getting married!?
Locke and Helen getting married, and Locke’s father is invited? Hmm…
When she said “caterers”, I misread that on the closed-captioning as “catheters”.
Did she just say “my parents… and YOUR DAD”?!
So if Locke’s Dad is invited to the wedding do we assume that he didn’t push Locke out of a window in this timeline? That Locke lost use of his legs another way?
HOLY COW….A VIEW FROM SMOKEY!!!!!!!
Smokey POV flight over The Island is cool.
Richard has seen better days.
I was spoiled a few months ago that Katey Segal was going to be on this season because I was looking at her IMDB, because she is also on Sons of Anarchy. It sucks I was spoiled, but I’m so glad to see her, she is an amazing actress.
I like Season 3-4 Richard better
Nice Smokey POV shot.
Smoke Monster 1st person view was pretty cool.
So Boston Keep it clean for everyone? Or just you?
I’m not reading the comments but since I’m in London & can’t watch this episode live with the rest of you east-coasters, Chris in Boston is going to take my place moderating the comments. Okay eliminating temptation and I cannot wait to catch up!!
So does this mean Locke really went on the Walkabout?
Thank you Colleen and Boston for setting this up, I was getting antsy not being able to talk about Lost till now. Have more fun in London.
Thanks for setting it up, Colleen. Enjoy the rest of your London trip!
Was Locke going to take Jacob’s place?
That was creepy
KNEEL BEFORE ME!!!!
Just kidding. Good to behere. WHO THE HELL WAS THAT!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
Things can spook the smoke monster? What the hell was that?!
I meant to say Richard’s place
Jacob’s body is/was made of the ash?
She knows way too much.
The name of that song is “Search and Destroy”…I think
Look at me. Look down. Look back. I’m on a horse.
So Im guessing the ashes of Jacob protect you from the Smoke Monster
I like the View that Smokey gave us.
Maybe Jacob has taken multiple forms also
Please stay on the Island not LA. I want to hear Smokey (MIL) and Richard talk.
do you think we’ll be getting ilana’s backstory?
Ben really should stop lying.
Since Jacob’s body turned into the ash that protects people from Smokey, that obv means he’s been reincarnated numerous times. Was Locke a candidate to “become” Jacob or replace Richard?
Blond bloody kid = baby Jacob?
I still can’t decide if Flocke is bad or good and if Jacob was good or bad. Notice how Ben continued his lying ways with Ilana?!
Sawyer’s REALLY let himself go…. But he’s smart. Good catch on Locke!
Well I guess I better get some pants on! LOL.
Randy was Box Company manager after the meteor crashed into the Clucks right?
Bob, I like that. It goes with the reincarnation theory and explains why Man in Locke is in a hurry.
2 dudes in less than 5 seconds haha
Hurley IS lucky.
Yeah destroy that Hummer Locke. Freaking bastard. ha ha nevermind.
Don’t tell me where I can and cannot park!!!
certainly was!
Nice Hugo has a Yellow Hummer… I have a Z71 Chevy Avalanche..
I mean they are just gonna let Locke’s body lay there on the beach
ha ha Randy is a douche.
Baby Jacob sounds like a good theory to me.
Well, I guess I better put on some pants…. Who is that kid?!
Locke had crabs
Are these rules the same as the Ben-Widmore rules?
Can we predict here?
You guys sure that isn’t Locke? Dont tell me what I can’t do!!
Predict away sir.
HOLY. AARON. There. I said it.
“don’t tell me what I can’t do”
Hey. “Don’t tell me what I can’t do.” Isn’t that Locke’s line? Is Locke not fully purged?
I believe so, Manila
Cory, I like it. nice.
Peter Pan is on the island??? Its Never Never Land!! Is Smokey really Capt. Hook??? Most intriguing!
Cory is right…It has to be Aaron
Crap, I think I like Cory’s Aaron idea better than baby Jacob. Just gotta work out the time part.
Has to be Aaron… who else could look that close to Claire?!!?
Oooh - good crackpot theory Cory!!
I’ve never seen a frightened Richard.
One thing we’ve learned after 5 seasons - whenever someone tells you they’re going to answer aLL YOUR QUESTIONS, THEY WON’T AND YOU SHOULD PROBABLY RUN.
Predict supervisor = Libby
Rose!
Ha ha she also played the psychic that Hurley went too. Yeah Rose.
I think Aaron’s too young, unless there’s a time-travel thing going on.
ROSE!?
Oh snap! Rose. She worked for Dhar, er Hurley.
No recognition of each other from the flight from Sydney?
I love Rose.
Literary reference FTW
@jlyn1980: Nice catch on the psychic.
Same Steinbeck reference he had with Ben.
Wow! Good scene!
And another commercial break!
I predict he uses Sawyer to get into the Temple.
I swear Man in Locke you hurt a hair on that beautiful man I will jump through the TV and beat you up myself.
Man I was really hoping Sawyer would ask him his real name
Gonna agree w/ Manila. He’s playing Sawyer like a fiddle.
I think Jessica can do it. Season finale spoiler!
He said Of Mice and Men is after his time…For those playing at home, it was first published in 1937
I think its Jacob not Aaron, unless Aaron would age at a highly accelerated rate. And since Richard never ages, how is that possible? Plus why would MIL react with such anger to what Island Boy said to him??
I have a good feeling that this episode is gonna end pretty big. Fingers crossed
Aaron is the new Walt
True Bob. That sounds good.
and we’re back!
The kid is “baby” Widmore?
Damn that’s a lot of graves.
Nice to see Ben cleaning up the mess he made..i.e. killing Locke
Ohhhhhhh Nooooooo Locke is being Buried.
Two words: “The Stand”
man they dig graves fast
weird, was that the first time we saw Ben’s arms? doesn’t he always wear longsleeved shirts?
“…and I killed him.” -Ben
This ought to be good. Ben giving a eulogy for Locke
So Locke is gone for good?
Lupidis. Is. Awesome.
Damn. Jay must be going insane at that shoveling dirt on Locke scene.
“worst damn funeral i’ve ever been to”
hahahaha
Ha ha that is the best line from Lapidus yet.
Locke….you got some ’splainin to do.
Ellen’s shirt “Peace & Kharma” —– kind of the mantra of Dharma Philosophy
So he didn’t go on the walkabout…
“Don’t tell me what I can’t do” should be a drinking game.
Nice scoring by Giacchino in this Locke - Helen scene.
So first we see Locke get buried and now we see alternate Locke with no faith…very sad day
Giacchino’s music gets me every time.
Have a feeling this is gonna be big.
Illyana said MIL can’t change forms anymore. Does that mean no more Christian? I think nor. Therefore MIL is not Christian. We’ve got another player in the game!
Random ladder-on-the-side-of-a-rock-cliff
DON’T DO IT JAMES!!! DON’T TRUST HIM!!
how did they never find these ladders???
WHOA!
Good thing Sawyer is ripped.
Sawyer drank too much whiskey. Broke the ladder
That scared me for a second
black and white stones. throws the white one… hmmm
Two pieces, light and dark
Nor=not
more black and white stones.
Very Indiana Jones - like score.
Black & White Rocks.
Black rock, white rock
INSIDE JOKE!!!!! AWESOME!
The cliffhanger tonight is gonna suck extra hard
Can’t wait to see the screencap of all those names
HOLY CRAP they are each a number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DID SAWYER JUST “ILLUMINATE THE NUMBERS” a la @carltoncuse’s tweet?
hm i saw 15 ford, 8 reyes, 16 jarrah, and 42 qwon
Wow. So who wrote the names? MIL or Jacob?
Jacob because of the “bringing them here” comment form last year?
YES!!!!!!! It shall be explained!
The cliffhanger technically already happened. Literally.
Is this the start of what the numbers are???
@Banhammer, indeed he did.
@Boston Yup.
I can’t wait for big boxset to come out
Agree with Matt. Cliffhanger’s gonna suck hard.
Whoa! V commercial!
I find myself looking forward to the return of V more than FF
I’m really glad that last week’s episode wasn’t so explosive, because after this episode I’m going to have a nose bleed.
Are we going to see Alex?
LOL Locke as a volleyball coach
Ben is a teacher!!!!
BEN!!
BEN
Ben is such a nerdy teacher. I could totally see that in an alternate world.
BEN?????
Ben as a teacher made me laugh. I don’t know why
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!! Ben as a teacher and an annoying teacher.
23 -Shepard
Isn’t Ben kinda dressed like in the photo Miles had when the freighties first got to the island?
MIL: “He’s not the only one”
Only person with numbers or not the only Shepherd?
OMG THE NUMBERS! THANK GOD!!!!
The numbers. Nice.
What’s Kate’s number
Kate is not on there.
What about Kate?
Where’s Kate’s number?
Candidate? So does Frank have a number?
#’s
James 15
Shepard 23
Hugo 6
Locke 4
Etc..
Sounds like the Locke who began doubting the numbers & entering them into the Swan computer.
Same 3 choices too.
Jacob seems more and more like a bad guy for wasting these people’s lives
BOOM.
Time for questions is over my ass.
WOW.
So what’s the deal?
Is Jacob the bad guy?
Thud
“LOST” in white is the worst 4 letters in the world. I want more.
I expected that episode to be much more climactic. I mean, the numbers. Nice. But… I don’t know. More, maybe?
so we got a nice little dialogue with the lockeness monster and sawyer- but can we believe any of it??
So based on what Smokey said to Sawyer, Jacob is bad. But who to trust? Its like Ben vs Widmore all over again.
Ok… Hurry JayandJack.. do the podcast.. I wanna know what R-85 Ed “Gunz’s Hochuli has donated to your Autism Speaks Auction….. LOL!!!
So I can bid & add to my Collection…. Hopefully!!!!
2 answers and 140 more questions.
Kate wasn’t on the wall? i would have thought that she would be up there, instead of Locke. all in all, great episode!
What does MIL need in order to “go home”?
what about the little blond kid?
Who was he??????
Nice Bob, lol. Where was “Austen” and her number? Also, who was that boy?
Numbers finally - woohoo!!!!!!
So who did Jacob touch at Sun and Jin’s wedding? Did he touch both? Since MIL said only one was a candidate. Oh the numbers…so were the others that came just collateral damage? Or did maybe MIL bring them?
I was pleading with them “Please don’t end there”, but they didn’t listen.
What are your thoughts on this - two teams Jack and the gang vs Sawyer, MIL and?????
I nominate Hurley and Miles to protect the island…they would get along so much better than Jacob and MIL
I have absolutely no words to describe this episode right now. That was just intense. The cameos by Ben and Hugo (no Hurley?) were great. It’s showing that some people are doing just fine in this reality (vs the theory that everybody’s life would be better ON the island).
I think any hopes I had of Locke being resurrected were “buried” with this episode though.
That, and now I have to worry about Jin/Sun again.. will only one of them survive?
Ooh…15 Ford 16 Jarrah, and I saw Reyes, too!!!
I’m interested if there’s anyone we know in the series of crossed names.
Still trying to process this epidsode. Carlton Tweeted today not to miss the episode tonight because “a NUMBER of things will be illuminated” - guess now i see what he meant. Nice clue it was.
How many of our lostees will be crossed off the list before the season ends?
Okay, so how does the loophole that allowed MIL to take over Locke work?
Did he kill off Jacob’s prime candidate?
Does this put Alpert’s earlier visit to Locke as a child in another perspective? Was he scouting out young Locke’s suitability as a candidate?
I think the blond kid is Jacob. Because Richard couldn’t see him, but MIL and Sawyer could. Sawyer could see him because he’s a cantidate.
Noticed Kate had no number…just another reference to how pointless she is
I’m scared to think that all those names were crossed out due to actions by MIL. If that’s the case, Sawyer better be careful.
So Kate is not a number…
4 - Locke (crossed out)
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shepard
42 - Kwon (either Sun or Jin)
would Ben still be “evil” as a teacher? Did he still go to the temple as a kid? Or would Sayid never have been in 1977 in that timeline?? Paradoxy!
4 Locke, 8 Hurley, 15 Ford, 16 Said, 23 Shephard, 42 Kwon ?
And i guess Frank is not a candidate
Love him.
Oh and I’m pretty sure blonde kid is Aaron. He’s special.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THE NUMBERS ARE CURSED - THEY BROUGHT THE PEOPLE TO THE ISLAND
“So Kate is not a number…
4 - Locke (crossed out)
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shepard
42 - Kwon (either Sun or Jin)”
I wonder what this all means…. like always
Crackpot Theory=Adam and Eve=Kate and Lapidis=they are not on the wall with a number.
Jacob gave them numbers like they were on some kind of team…guess he couldn’t afford the jerseys
Too tired to theorize tonight. Going to rewatch tomorrow and then contemplate.
i saw one that said 289-Jones
I can’t wait to read all the other names on the wall/ceiling.
I love how they didn’t really answer the question about the numbers. like…where did the order of the names and numbers come from? bastards!
What if Adam and Eve aren’t time shifters, time travelers? They were just candidates who didn’t pan out. Like Locke (RIP) or those others who were crossed out. Weren’t they found with the black and white stones?
OKAY THE BLOND KID IS EITHER JACOB, AARON, CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD OR SOMEONE ELSE, BUT I THINK IT’S TOO LATE TO BRING IN A TOTALLY NEW FIGURE…I DON’T KNOW THIS SHOW IS MESSING WITH MY MIND
to quote Ed Helms in “The Hangover” - “what the f**k is going on?
I texted my husband five minutes into the episode “Randy is such a douche.” Me and Hugo = mind meld.
Is it just me, or did Jacob’s body disappear unnaturally quickly/cleanly in the fire? There seems to be nothing at all left, but it has been, what, maybe 12 hours, in a relatively small bonfire?
Also, the ladder on the cliff = “Jacob’s ladder” = Biblical reference?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder
Aaron = creepy demon child = Jacob??????
@Molly. Good catch. So in this case, are we to assume that instead of climbing Jacob’s ladder, we’re descending Jacob’s ladder and what that may imply?
And I wonder if the writers were foreshadowing how they’d end the episode when you have those two hanging from a cliff? Ha.
I wonder if Aaron had a #number
CRACKPOT THEORY - #42 Kwon = Ji Yeon
@Jeremy in Mississippi
YES!!
What about if Jacob is like VOldemort in harry potter when he touches someone he leaves his mark like Voldemort leaves his pensive and Locke needs to kill all the pensives/ people to finally kill Jacob and be free of his hold that the island has on him and be free of the world and that is why people like Christian Shepard are dead becuase they were old island keepers and slowly but surely have died becuase of this bound to the island. OMG I think I figured it out. As Jay and jack say that is my crack pot theory and I am sticking to it!
Okay, so the numbers may not just refer to the men.
4 - Locke (crossed out)
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shepard (Could be Jack, CHRISTIAN OR CLAIRE)
42 - Kwon (Could be either Sun or Jin)
I think that would be pretty interesting if it wasn’t just men…or maybe that’s why women die on the island, because the true leader is meant to be a man?
Theory: What if Shepard #23 is Claire?
Locke = Dead, out of the way
Sayid = Supposed to be dead
Claire = ????
I really like the idea that Kwon could be Jin…Sun…………………..
or Ji Yeon!
I’m having trouble with Reyes & Jarrah being on the list of numbers.
Didn’t Jacob visit those two after they’d already been to and left the island as part of the Oceanic Six?
Seeing Richard with cuts and bruises was like seeing Jack without tears in his eyes…. It doesn’t happen often
So… weren’t the Kwon’s expecting? Hehe… Another candidate, no?
Crackpot theory… Kate wasn’t missing from the numbers on the wall.
23 - Shepard (kate?) love triangle solved?
These are names my wife and I saw and recognized besides the obvious: 313 Littleton, 761 Faraday, and Goodspeed with no number
Skelly!!! NICE CATCH!!!!!!
Can anyone find a screen cap for those names?????????????????????????????????
So if Kwon could be Ji Yeon couldn’t Sheppard be Aaron as well?
Also I saw Troupe on the wall in Jacob’s Cave (Gary Troupe? The man who got sucked into the turbine)
I love how in the Sideways world, we are just adding up the people who want to help Locke:
1. Jack
2. Hurley
3. Rose
I can see a trend starting, but how does that reflect on what’s happening on the Island?
I wonder if Jacob gave himself a number? lol… 108 perhaps? hehe
Michael, totally dude.
My LOST review for the new episode “The Substitute”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_kMoQNuG1E Enjoy!
@banhammer: Nefariousness completes in a minute. Will take shots and upload them to twitpic and post the links here.
nice.
Am I the only one who wonders how Hugo got out of that hummer w/it parked like that??
Am taking screenshots, but I can confirm a 313-Littleton crossed out.
Man in Locke got his first recruit (Sawyer). Will he have to recruit the entire Oceanic crowd to get home like locke did to get back to island?
Also seen 90-Troupe & 175-Costa, both crossed out.
well jess, wasn’t lock’s wheelchair lift on the hummer’s passenger side?
140-Lewis crossed out (Charlotte Staples Lewis?)
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-604-substitute-wall-screencaps.html
Jacob wanted Locke to be the protector of the Island as he was #4, so I think Smokey chose Locke’s body to inhabit so Locke could be out of the running.
10-Mattingly
222-O’Toole
And I can swear there’s a 71-Straume crossed out (??)
Banhammer, I went back its def the driver’s side. Just thought it was odd.
MILES!