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Discuss “Lost” Ep. 3.11 “Happily Ever After”

6 April 2010 469 Comments

It’s time to share our questions, comments, and theories about this week’s episode of Lost, called “Happily Ever After ”.  It’s Desmond-centric so hang on to those tissues boxes and check for nose bleeds because it’s probably going to be one of those crazy/epic/tear-jerking episodes.

Warning: This post WILL contain spoilers, so if you haven’t watched Lost yet, you will be spoiled!

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  • Michael said:

    Let’s get this party started, Brotha!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Dancing with the C-listers….

  • Brian said:

    OK Buzz…stop talking so we can get to Lost!

  • Michael said:

    They need a Lost countdown clock on DWTS.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    C’mon brother… let get this moving!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    Hey now no matter what, Buzz is still a National Hero. But let’s get to some Lost.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    should have kicked Kate off in the beginning and had a 2 hour LOST!!

  • Michael said:

    Buzz Aldrin’s wife is HOT.

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Robo-Tie!

  • Stefanie said:

    Woo hoo… can’t wait. I made the mistake of going on twitter and searching on #lost… I realized that Canada had already seen it so I stopped looking before I got spoiled. Here we go… 1 minute after Buzz

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Very excited for this episode

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    And…… LOST!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    TINA!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    Don’t you touch him Zoe.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Is this the hospital that Jacob talked to Allana?

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    I like Debbie’s idea. lol, but I like Tony.

  • Ellie said:

    Go Dez!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    I think Widmore should have come up with a better way of telling Des he’s back on the island

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    YEAH kick his butt.

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Tina has a muffin top. =)

  • Chris Outside of Philly said:

    Jurassic Park??

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    The Cracken is in the box! :)

  • timbowie said:

    Jack was the Man of Science. Locke was the Man of Faith. Desmond is eternally the Man of Action (remember when he strong-armed his way onto the helicopter?)

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Are they gonna try to transport that rabbit?

  • Ellie said:

    Hehe the bunny is named Angstrom

  • Justin in PHilly said:

    of course it doesnt work

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Jacob’s chair?

  • hopeformama said:

    don’t put Des in the box!!!!!!!!

  • Laura said:

    who was that who just got fried?

  • Laura said:

    Couldn’t Widmore have hired smarter people with all of his money?

  • timbowie said:

    anybody else thinks this box transports people into the sideways world?

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    Yea that totally reminded me of Jurassic Park

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    a) what the hell just happened? b) what was supposed to happen?

  • shelli said:

    “jacob’s” cabin?

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Chairy, from Pee-Wee?

  • Chris Outside of Philly said:

    Ok, so not Jurassic Park… Watchmen, perhaps?

    I suppose they’re trying to transport between two realities… notice two monitors?

  • timbowie said:

    when it’s not frying people, of course. haha

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    It did have the cabin vibe…

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    THE MYSTERY BOX… look at JJ Abrams on TED Talks (iTunes)… that’s a huge hint!

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    At least we don’t have the coutdown “V” clock!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    So assuming Des is special, this won’t hurt him?

  • Ellie said:

    DONT HURT DES

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    Widmore if you kill Desmond and keep him away from little Charlie I will hurt you.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Are they going to try to “channel” his ESP ability?

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    No metal….what about the bullet in his shoulder

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Lost his son - Faraday maybe??

  • Diana in Austin said:

    NO!!!!! NOT DESMOND :-(

  • Colleen (author) said:

    “Sacrifice” - I think I’m going to be weeping in about 40 minutes from now…

  • Ellie said:

    Oh yeah….

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    The eyelets in his boots are metal….

  • bondy1k said:

    The last time Desmond was in the situation, he saved the island by pressing the button in the hatch… or below the hatch

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    So that confirms that Faraday is his son.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    @Colleen - drink some wine - it will help!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Debbie in Indi - yeah, remember last season we found out from Eloise/Widmore convo outside the hospital that Faraday was his son too

  • bondy1k said:

    Ouch

  • timbowie said:

    can we have Desmond call the new Locke “Locke Ness Monster”. please?

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    So that’s why Desmond is special, he survived the hatch blowing up.

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    Poof! He’s gone!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Is this gonna be anotoher “The Constant” type episode?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Debbie - I already AM drinking wine lol

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    That is when he ended up on the plane maybe??

  • NaysWay said:

    Is this why Desmond was on the plane with Jack?

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Was that the “flux capacitor”, professor? JIGAWATZ?!?!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    I definitely think that this is why he’s on the plane with Jack in the first ep and then just disappears

  • Ellie said:

    So he was on the plane…or got back there again…or I have no idea.

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    So that machine has to do something w/ the flash sideways.

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Is that minkowski? Holy crap it is

  • NaysWay said:

    OMG, from the freighter!!!

  • timbowie said:

    Minkowski!

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    Too funny - George Minkowski is the driver!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    OMG Minkowski

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Number 5 is alive!

  • Ellie said:

    Who’s Desmond’s boss?

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Widmore = The Boss

  • SportingBecky said:

    Hey was that Hawaii from Twitter in front of Desmond in the terminal? LOL

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    So in the Sideways - Desmond is working for Widmore??

  • timbowie said:

    is he working for Widmore?

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Faraday…?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    The Scales are in the picture

  • Brian said:

    See the scales in the painting on Widmore’s office wall?

  • Ellie said:

    I don’t know if I like that…

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Called it, but I can’t believe it

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Mirror mirror!

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    That Desmond - Widmore hug just made me throw up a little

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    There is just something wrong with Des & Charles being friends in the flash sideways. I don’t like it!

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    A 2 armed hug? C’mon, Des, give him a bro’ hug… one arm, 2 pats… all man!

  • Stefanie said:

    @Brad in Indiana if I watch the JJ Abrams TED talk will I get spoiled?

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    Wow the Minkowski thing was awesome, this is why I’m glad I stopped looking at the guest starring list.

  • Diana in Austin said:

    Desmond episodes are always the best :-) . This one is gonna be sooooooooo good!!

  • NaysWay said:

    Good eye all those who caught the scales. I had to rewind it!

  • Melissa said:

    Is Dez taking a page out of Jin’s book - banging the boss’s daughter?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Husband made me pause it so he can make popcorn!!!! REALLY??!!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    @ Brad in Indiana >> He should have Christian side-hugged him… Ha ha ha ha

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    @Stefanie No not spoiled, but I think it might explain the whole box concept. More just a really neat story and might explain where JJ was coming from with the “box” thing…

  • Adam Austin said:

    They are killing us with these flash sideways

  • Colleen (author) said:

    What’s the deal with the Scales again? I’m blanking big time

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    @ Colleen >> Good and Evil

  • Jessica said:

    Well, there goes whoever’s theory that this sideways timeline is showing us that everyone’s lives turned out for the better. Desmond isn’t even married to Penny in this alternate reality! Or at least not that we know of.

  • noelle said:

    @colleen inside of each man is a scale balancing between good and evil

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    The scales were on the island - with the white and black rocks

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    He also had a model of The Black Rock in his office.

  • Cortney said:

    Yeah better the last week already…can’t wait to see more “guest stars” :)

  • bondy1k said:

    Widmore = Good Guy. I’ve got a feeling!

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    I don’t know which was a greater TiVo seller… Janet Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction” or LOST?

  • Brian said:

    @Colleen….scales had the white and black stones on them for Jacob and MIB

  • NaysWay said:

    @SportingBecky - Yep, he just confirmed it. Wow. How cool is that?!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    @ Jessica >> What about Jin and Sun? They got the shaft! =)

  • noelle said:

    so is it safe to assume that desmond being transported now is different from what was happening in the time jumps? because before, he was all disoriented and remembered where he had just left. but now he knows exactly whats going on and where hes supposed to go…

  • Stefanie said:

    @bondy1k really widmore a good guy… he almost fried his son in law???

  • Colleen (author) said:

    ahhh thanks guys for the Scales reminder :)

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Daniel took up music, how awesome

  • bondy1k said:

    Faraday

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    Charlie is his son???

  • Michael said:

    Charlie is Widmore’s son!

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Charlie?!?!?!?!?1?1??!?!?!?!?!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    OMG is Charlie his son?????

  • Jessica said:

    Farday is alive…and Whitmore is married still?!?! And Charlie!!

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    NOOO the son is CHARLIE!!!!

  • Stefanie said:

    his son is a musician… we’re gonna see faraday???

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    He’s not with PENNY!!!! CHARLIE!!! YES

  • Ellie said:

    bahahaha Drive Shaft

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    And Charlie and Faraday rockin out? Um, wow

  • shelli said:

    I KNEW the next words out of his mouth would be “driveshaft”

    And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us see FARADAY!

  • 5000 said:

    no wedding ring? Dez had one on the season 6 premiere. No metal through time machine!

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    C’mon… where was Jack on THAT one?!?!

  • Stefanie said:

    he’s gonna baby sit charlie??? this is getting cool

  • timbowie said:

    Farraday and Charlie are in a band together?

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    Poor Des - I don’t think he is very happy in this realm.

  • Diana in Austin said:

    Hang on so maybe… Pennyy is with Charlie??? WHATTTT

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Perfect.

  • Colleen (author) said:

    AWESOME! HE GETS TO DRINK THE MCKUTCHEONS!! I’m so happy!

  • Melissa said:

    How the heck did Charlie end up his son?

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    YES!!!!! Desmond gets to drink the McCutcheum

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    Wow nice touch with the McCutcheon….I love LOST

  • Leigha in Lexington said:

    I wanted to see Des drink it!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    CHARLIE!!!!!!!!! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Good to see Charlie back on LOST

  • Brian said:

    I watched “Flashes Before Your Eyes” today….this episode is the complete opposite of everything in that show so far….

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    I want some Michelle Rodriguez!

  • timbowie said:

    maybe he married Penny?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Faraday was a piano genius, remember?

  • Jessica said:

    And the cycle continues…Desmond looking after Charlie/preventing his death.

  • noelle said:

    i think charlie has some important knowledge

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Mid show crackpot theory… Charlie has been “pushing the button” for the past years. That’s why he wants to die.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Wasn’t the DriveShaft ring a family ring? Didn’t DS stand for something before Drive Shaft?

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    On the same flight… He was there…

  • Ellie said:

    Charlie looks very Simon from flashforward in this ep…all angry and sneaky

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    ha ha Charlie has had a Flashback, Flash Sideways, and a FlashForward. He’s the only character to have all 3.

  • timbowie said:

    he saw Claire!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Jlyn - hahahaha nice observation

  • Ellie said:

    The ring did…his dad or something? I don’t remember exactly, and they named Drive Shaft after the DS or something right?

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Poetry, brother. I’ll never get tired of hearing Des say “brother”

  • bondy1k said:

    Wow, Charlie remembers Claire from the Island. This might be the first time we’ve seen Sideways present interaction.

  • noelle said:

    so but this is the flash sideways, so maybe he saw what happened on the island. maybe him and claire?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Ellie - that is what I thought - but I can’t remember what they said it stood for! aarrggh!!

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    So if Charlie hinting that if they die in the Flash Sideways their consciousness moves to their island selves?

  • Diane in NJ said:

    I don’t think Charlie is Widmore’s son. Widmore was talking about his musician son (Faraday) wanting to combine rock with classical at the charity event. That’s why they need to get Charlie out of jail to play with Driveshaft. At least that’s the way I understood it.

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Yes! You All Everybody

  • Jessica said:

    Oh wow, so going to cry. Charlie is talking about Claire. So, are people right…did they die before they got to the island? The happiness they experienced happened because they did die? I certainly hope this doesn’t end up to be a heaven/hell situation.

  • Ellie said:

    The ring, an heirloom of the Pace family, bears the initials of Dexter Stratton, the paternal grandfather of Megan Pace. It first belonged to Liam Pace, Charlie’s brother, who named their band, Drive Shaft, after the initials on the ring. The ring traveled down through the generations, eventually belonging to Liam.

    THank you Lostpedia

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Brake pedal?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Diane in NJ - that’s exactly how I took it too. Faraday played piano (classical) and Charlie bass (rock) and that’s the combination.

  • Ellie said:

    Charlie drowns again?

  • bondy1k said:

    And this seems like it will be the second interaction between sideways and island. LOVE DESMOND EPISODES

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Yeah Ellie!! Thanks that was driving me crazy!!

  • NaysWay said:

    Charlie always drowns?

  • Jessica said:

    omg!!!! Charlie dies underwater. AGAIN!!!!!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    I guess Charlie was always destined to drown? Don’t let me watch him die again. Cue Giaachino.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    “Not Penny’s Boat”…

  • timbowie said:

    if Charlie holds up a hand with not penny’s boat, I’m gonna freak.

  • Ellie said:

    CREEEEEEPY

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    NaysWay said:
    Charlie always drowns?

    HA HA HA

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Thanks that was driving me crazy!!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Oh crap, Des can still see the non-flash-sideways.

  • NaysWay said:

    WHAT!!!!! WHAT, WHAT, WHAT!!!! OMG!!!

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    @ Diane in NJ - I think you are right. We were being led astray earlier but in the bar Des was talking about Charles Widmore it wasn’t like he was talking about Charlie’s dad.

  • shelli said:

    NOT PENNY’s BOAT!!!!!!

  • Stefanie said:

    W T F

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    wow!!!!

  • shelli said:

    Dude - like miles and sawyer, are charlie and desmond destined to play die and save in the sideways?

  • Jessica said:

    Is near death experiences how they travel through the realities?

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Brake pedal? I guess I have to let that go, but why speed up if someone grabs the wheel? Lol.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Oh, I could write 0.7% of Lost!!!! Called that one!

  • shelli said:

    Anthony - maybe it was a prius. ;)

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Just those few bars of the Giacchino’s score from when Charlie died made me tear up again. Unreal what his music does to me

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    This episode ROCKS!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Brad - “Not Penny’s car”

    But seriously, that was REALLY freaking CREEPY. Holy crap!

  • Renee said:

    Not Penny’s Boat!!!!

  • wafflemaster said:

    its like the matrix

  • Megan said:

    How will Charlie suffocate next time?

    choking on heroin — check
    hanging — check
    drowing — check
    arrow in the neck — check

  • bgentz said:

    Brain blown

  • noelle said:

    anybody know if its actually possible to open the car door against all that water pressure?

  • timbowie said:

    good call Jessica. I like that theory.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    My Husband was like “he is going to hold up his hand and it will say “Not Penny’s Boat” - then when it happened he was like OH C^&p!!!

  • SportingBecky said:

    I knew Charlie would hold up his hand again under H2O!!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    @noelle, once the car fills with water, the pressure is equalized, so yes

  • NaysWay said:

    Does Charlie know about the sideways world? How would he know to put his hand up for Desmond? And in water? Somebody’s got some ’splainin’ to do.

  • Martha in Coral Springs, FL said:

    I hope that Charlie is talking about Claire!!!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    OH so if Faraday is his son and alive in the Sideways, then Eloise must be his mother. Penny has a different mother, right? Or are things about to get really weird?

  • Megan said:

    Did Charlie say Ben shot Desmond at the beginning of the episode? i wonder what he was referring to.

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    shelli said:
    Anthony - maybe it was a prius.

    Ha ha ha - the new Toyota/Benz: it’s expensive and it doesn’t stop! =)

  • Renee said:

    Holy Freakin cow! Somebody (Darlton) has a lot of explaining to do.

  • timbowie said:

    Mr. Friendly in Haplin.

  • Stan said:

    Did anybody else catch Desmond tell Charlie “there’s always a choice”? Very Jacob-like.

  • Stefanie said:

    Hilarious:
    @shelli said:
    Anthony - maybe it was a prius.

  • Megan said:

    and by Charlie I mean Charles.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    good one Colleen! didn’t think of that - so could Annie be her mom?

  • Cortney said:

    @Brad - “Not Penny’s car” I like that one :) That will be by tweet when this is over. OMG not it’s getting good…PLEASE BRING THESE TWO WORLDS TOGETHER PLEASE!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    I keep seeing the clips for Happy Town and it’s making me hope we get to see MC Gainey aka Tom Friendly this season on Lost.

  • susan said:

    that car going in the water is going to give me nightmares!

  • Ellie said:

    I enjoy that Mr. Friendly will be in Happy Town looking just like Mr. Friendly

  • jamie said:

    man i wish juliet was his doctor!!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Megan - Ben shot Desmond last season on the docks

  • NaysWay said:

    Awww. Desmond doesn’t have a constant.

  • jamie said:

    a button!!! OMG!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    God, I hate MRI machines. I’ve had way too many

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    think the bullet in his shoulder will show up?

  • Stefanie said:

    oh my god… the MRI / the hatch… holy cow this is awesome..

  • NaysWay said:

    He he. Button. He he.

  • timbowie said:

    maybe the MRI will jolt him back to the other reality.

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Crap, here come the tears again

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Magnetic fields trigger it… ahhhh

  • Jessica said:

    Desmond is remembering. “Button”, “Do you have any metal on you..” I LOVE this episode!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    See ya in another life, brotha

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Hey, brother, its another life!

  • timbowie said:

    Jack is the no. 1 extra this season. XD

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Oh boy, I’m going to start crying soon. I know it. Oh, hello Jack! Hey what’s up!

  • Ellie said:

    So Des was on the plane? The whole time?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Vans! Charlie is wearing Vans! Love that!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    WOAH Charlie KNOWS!!

  • bondy1k said:

    Desmond was really close with Charlie on the Island and close with Penny in the Island timeline too. Desmond was the only one to survive the flashes from going back and forth through time. He had to find his constant for his flashes to stop (Penny) I bet he’ll be having to find her again in this episode. The only thing is, he doens’t know who Penny is.

  • Ellie said:

    Why are you accosting a man in a dressing gown?

  • Claudina said:

    charli and desmond both saw flashes!! too cool!

  • Cortney said:

    WE just had a 3 way :) that was fun.

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    So long Charlie. =(

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Too many commercials!!! Can we take up a collection to sponsor the remaining episodes with no breaks?!?!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    This episode is so different than all of the other Desmond episodes. It’s strange. I keep waiting for something HUGE to happen. Like really, really huge. Game changing, take-us-into-the-last-8-weeks huge.

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Holy &H*T! Charlie knows about not penny’s boat. HAnds down best episode so far this season and its only 9:37

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    Dang I was hoping we would see Charlie’s bum.

  • timbowie said:

    Charlie actually saw Galadriel, not Claire. Silly LotR flashes.

  • Brian said:

    What a great fricken episode!

  • Renee said:

    To find Penny, try FlashForward.

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    So does Penny exist in this realm? If she was Widmore’s daughter I think Desmond would know that.

  • Ellie said:

    I figured Charlie saw himself strangling a guy…silly Flashforward

  • noelle said:

    @brad good luck with that. word is ad space for the finale is at $1 million a spot…

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    @ Colleen >> Yeah I feel that too… I bet they smack us with something GIANT before the logo… I hope…

  • Stefanie said:

    Craokpot theory half way thru…

    Maybe the show is saying that when we die we become reincarnated as ourselves and live somewhat parallel life that changes slightly every time we re-live it b/c of changes in events. The “sideways” is just a look at another version of the life that we would have after we died….??? I’m sure there is a heaven/hell element to all of this as well.. just too blown away to think clearly.

    OK crackpotty I know… I’m just so blown away by this episode… favorite of this season so far.

  • shelli said:

    Penny is Desmond’s constant.

    “there’s always a choice, brotha”

    CLASSIC!

  • Ellie said:

    That’s how Charlie knows about Penny…they work together on set of FF!

  • Martha in Coral Springs, FL said:

    Jack looks older and puffy.

  • Cortney said:

    yeah I wanted to see a Charlie bum too :) ha ha oh well.

  • Jessica said:

    Jessica, I was thinking the same thing. Butt shot! LOL

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    @ Stefanie >>> I LIKEY!!! =)

  • SportingBecky said:

    @Naysway — Desmond with a Button just like on the Island & now MRI.. LOL

  • Stefanie said:

    to go along with my theory — and some of the comments here on the post… maybe the other parallel life is in Flashforward too… hmmmm

  • Stefanie said:

    so is the mrs. eloise???

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Is Ellie his wife? Yes she is

  • Ellie said:

    Who’s his wife? Eloise? Yup

  • Jessica said:

    You know two episodes ago (Ab Aeterno) I left a comment on here and Jay and Jack read it on their podcast. I was so thrilled :) I love their show.

    Right now, I can’t remember how Penny and Desmond first met. Any help?

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Daniel on the keys!!!

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    Des is going to see Faraday now and they’ll both remember each other as Constants!

  • NaysWay said:

    This episode is continuously blowing my mind. Who’s playing the piano? Who? TELL ME!

  • Ellie said:

    I feel if I was his wife I’d be way richer…

  • noelle said:

    she definitely recognized him

  • Jessica said:

    Eloise knows him, you could see it on her face.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Can I interest you in a ring?

  • Stefanie said:

    so who is penny’s mom… is it someone else (not eloise)? is that why it’s looking like penny doesn’t exist in this timeframe?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    are they at the monistary?

  • timbowie said:

    maybe Eloise wanted Desmond to have that encounter with Charlie. She knows things…

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Another “What happened happened” quoting.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    @Jessica When he got kicked out of “monk town”….

  • noelle said:

    @jessica the monastery he was at had a shipment of wine for her

  • Brian said:

    What happened happened….in the past tense!

  • NaysWay said:

    Curse you, “what happened, happened”!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    What happened happened.

    Penny Milton…WTF?

  • Stefanie said:

    penny milton???

  • Jessica said:

    Yah, I was right! Eloise is the wife. Daniel has to be the son and…is Penny the daughter?

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Something is about to happen. Eloise knows what’s up

  • Ellie said:

    She’s way opposite in the time or whatever we’re calling it.

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    She knows….

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    It seems like the rules don’t apply to Eloise either

  • Stefanie said:

    Charlie caused a violation.. Are charles and eloise the only ones who know what’s goign on here???

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    First she told him the Island wasn’t done with him - now she is telling him to stop??

  • Ellie said:

    He got Widmore’s approval…but not for the same reason as before…

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Ellie knows!!!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Wow, how on Earth…what is going on?!

  • shelli said:

    YEA - FARADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ellie said:

    FARADAY!!!! errr Widmore…awkward.

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    May name is Daniel - and you are my Constant!!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Alicia Faraday Keys!!!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Does Dan still posses his quantum physics knowledge and know what the hell is going on?

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    Did we ever find out where the name Faraday came from?

  • timbowie said:

    that fedora is so unbecoming for Daniel

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Yes, you do need to talk… fast, and uninterupted… oh damn, commercials….

  • NaysWay said:

    I’M SO EXCITED!

  • SportingBecky said:

    I knew it Danielle knocking on window.

  • Colleen (author) said:

    lol I wonder if Faraday wants to talk because he’s got the sads that Driveshaft won’t perform with him and wants to cry like he’s a Shepherd

  • noelle said:

    did daniel have an accent? it kinda sounded like he did

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    I’m so fracking, pardon the pun, lost right now. And its amazing

  • timbowie said:

    didn’t see, but did Daniel have the same black skinny tie?

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    FARADAY!!! I’m Loving It

  • Molly said:

    Sideways Eloise Hawking = Barbara Bush!

  • Jessica said:

    Charlie is the variable. Omg, chills when Eloise told Desmond about the ‘violation’. Sounds similar to when Ben said something along the lines how Whitmore changed the rules. Someone, somewhere knows of these supposed ‘rules’. And ‘violation’ has been mentioned before.

  • Renee said:

    This is mindblowing! Different but the same.

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    @Colleen Take that back! Jack doesn’t cry, he didn’t pass that course in acting school….

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Colleen (author) said:
    lol I wonder if Faraday wants to talk because he’s got the sads that Driveshaft won’t perform with him and wants to cry like he’s a Shepherd

    HA HA HA HA!!!!

  • Laura said:

    @Laura/SDORioles I don’t think Penny exists here because remember she was conceived off island. Maybe widmore never left the island to conceive her.

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    So who thinks Desmond and Penny will meet in the flash sideways at the end of this episode?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Jack has to cry!!! I need more points!!

  • Barbara said:

    Why can’t this episode go six minutes over?!!

  • noelle said:

    it seems like eloise and some others, probably widmore too, have been orchestrating the various iterations of the losties’ life cycles in order to create a perfect run through in which everything happens exactly as it should but people come in contact with the other realities thus acquiring knowledge “before they are ready” and it throws the whole process off. that’s why eloise got so frustrated with desmond now and in flashes before my eyes when he was going to buy the ring. he keeps screwing stuff up!!

  • Stefanie said:

    @Matt in Syracuse said:
    Does Dan still posses his quantum physics knowledge and know what the hell is going on?
    ____________________
    I’m not sure Faraday knows all of the quantum physics stuff b/c it sounds like he concentrated on his music… didn’t ellie convice him in the other timeline not to play tthe piano b/c he was meant to do bigger things. Looks like in this timeline he was free to play piano???

  • Ellie said:

    So who made these rules that are being violated and changed?

  • Cortney said:

    I am liking this episode, but I wanna see the island stuff too. WOW WOW the sideways are FINALLY Starting to get good. THANK YOU!

  • Laura said:

    my brain hurts..

  • Stefanie said:

    @noelle I like the theory

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    “V is for Cookie, that’s good enough for me”!

  • Ellie said:

    Same skinny black tie!

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    “I’m not supposed to have chocolate before dinner”

  • Ellie said:

    Awww Faraday…Daniel still loves Charlotte!!! And it gets weird. I like

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Was she eating a chocolate bar???? Before dinner???

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Dan’s got his notebook….and its got wacky physics stuff in it

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Charlotte is mega-hot in this timeline, so I accept Daniel’s infatuation this time around.

  • Stefanie said:

    Faraday’s talking about Charlotte… I think this is proving my crackpot theory that we’re re-living same version of our life over and over again and they are getting flashes of each timeline that they aren’t supposed to know.

  • Ellie said:

    Hmmm…so maybe when they do die on the island time line their consciousness begins to flash to this timeline.

  • Jessica said:

    I’m assuming Faraday was Eloise’ maiden name. Wait…is Faraday the musician who programed the Hydra station.

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Dan’s a pyro!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    OK, this is gettin really creepy now that all these people know…

    Wait, Dan knows he set off a nuke? Holy Freaking…

  • Ellie said:

    So the bomb is the key?

  • Brian said:

    Faraday with the line of the season…I already set off a nuclear bomb!

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    I am either really going to like this - or not like it at all!! :(

  • NaysWay said:

    Alright, Charlie’s figuring stuff out. Daniel’s figuring stuff out. HOW! HOW, curse you, HOW!

  • Madison_0218 said:

    Faraday is now a musician, just like Elouise wanted for him when he was a child. Seems like Elouise and/or Widmore have manipulated these people’s lives for to serve their benefit. Now, question is… what is their benefit?

  • Jessica said:

    THE ANSWER TO THE FLASH SIDEWAYS!!!! The hydrogen bomb changed their timeline. This is the result. I mean, we knew that but still. To have semi-confirmation.

  • Ellie said:

    LOVE connects the time lines???? This could rock my socks off!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Oh I get it… this is for the Flash Foward spin off…. crossover… show LOSTFOWARD

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Jessica - That’s (to me) a VERY good thought about the Hydra station. Good good good goood vibrraaaaations!

  • NaysWay said:

    Also, have we ever known who Penny’s mother is/was?

  • Cortney said:

    LOVE!!!!!!!! LOST IS ABOUT LOVE!!!!!!!!!!! YES YES YES WOOOOOOO!!!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Forward

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    Running stairs at the stadium

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Dr. Jack is his half sister?!?

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    are they gonna meet at the stad..

    she’s running the stairs. amazing

  • Colleen (author) said:

    PENNY!!!! DON’T GO BACK TO FLASHFORWARD!! STAY HERE WITH US FOREVERRRRR

  • Michael said:

    WTF….runs into Jack running steps and now Penny?!?

  • NaysWay said:

    Penny running instead of Jack! Oh, LOST. How you blow my mind.

  • Ellie said:

    I guess…Charlie loved Claire, Des and Penny and Faraday and Charlotte…interesting.

  • timbowie said:

    haha, love the Season 2 callback

  • SportingBecky said:

    Yeaaaaaaaa Foooooootbaaaaaaaaaaaall Field and bleachers…..

  • Jessica said:

    This tops Ab Aeterno. BEST EPISODE EVER!

  • Ellie said:

    I totally forgot about the island timeline when we flashed to Des and burnt.

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    I guess we know how Desmond got his “See you in another life” catchphrase…he was serious

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Penny is his constant?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Oh. Duh. It’s his consciousness that was traveling, not him. Duh. How fabulously mindblowing.

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Similar concept to the movie “CONTACT”

  • Brian said:

    Not when do we start, but what is it??????

  • Ellie said:

    EEEEEEK WHAT WILL WIDMORE DO???

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    So maybe they all have to find their Constants

  • Ellie said:

    Sayid. If you ruin this…I will…do something terrible…

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Des knows he’s bad!!! I know it…

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Now it’s like avatar… lol

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Desmond is the key to Lost. Love it

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    Will she show?

  • Jessica said:

    Same coffee shop he got the boat from Libby?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    2 min left something big is about to happen!

  • Diana in Austin said:

    So Daniel possibly programmed the Good Vibrations?

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    WHoa. What’s he gonna show? And who is he showing it too

  • NaysWay said:

    THIS. SHOW. ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    MICHAEL?

  • Ellie said:

    Thanks Diana in Austin…now Beach Boys are in my head…lol

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    HURLEY EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    I’m now 100% convinced that Juliet was traveling back and forth between the Sideways and Island times as she was dying. After all, she did also survive a nuclear explosion.

    How awesome that Desmond is going to guide them all a la what Locke was supposed to do to get them all back the first time around.

  • Jeremy in Mississippi said:

    So Desmond is “THE CANDIDATE”

  • Stefanie said:

    I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    Whoa. How did they get Harrold Perrineu to come back?

  • 5000 said:

    michael………. is walt next?

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Maybe Desmond will run into Juliet and Sawyer in the coffee shop?

  • Kari said:

    I have to wait till my husband gets home from work to watch tonight but I have been cheating by reading all these comments! LOVING IT!

  • shelli said:

    thinks that the end of the show will conclude with the Beatles song: “All you need is love.”

    I wonder if Smokey is Love, and Jacob is anti-love?

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Colleen (author) said:
    I’m now 100% convinced that Juliet was traveling back and forth between the Sideways and Island times as she was dying. After all, she did also survive a nuclear explosion.

    How awesome that Desmond is going to guide them all a la what Locke was supposed to do to get them all back the first time around.

    Yep, totally. Now it’s all about the “Do you wanna get a coffee” line to connect the dots!

  • Abby said:

    May be it’s pathetic, but I can’t remember the last time I cried watching a TV show. I think these writers understand life and love better than most people I know, including myself.

  • Martha in FLorida said:

    OMG!!! What a confusing episode. I’M SO LOST!!!! It was great.

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Sorry, I got enraptured in Lost and forgot to give everyone the “V” link in case you wanted to watch that and comment: http://yublog.org/2010/04/06/discuss-v-episode-16-pound-of-flesh/

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, if there was ever a doubt that LOST is greatest television experience of our time, I give you this episode as exhibit A,B,C…. Z!

  • Stefanie said:

    Anyone heard the song by “Carolina Liar” called “show me what I’m looking for”

    It totally reminds me of this show…… just a thought.

  • timbowie said:

    you know what’s cool? I had the sense in each of the flash sideways that the character had an instant where they were remembering their lives on the island. Ben being called a “killer” by Arzst, Jack looking at the scar. Now they just need a little push from Des.

  • Eric said:

    What just happened? Me confused

  • Laura/SDOrioles said:

    Wow! For an episode that didn’t have a whole lot going on, this episode had a whole lot going on!

  • Brad in Indiana said:

    I don’t even care that I am completely confused… It has been a long time that I’m happy they didn’t give us answers tonight. Jay and Jack, good luck on this one!

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    I am with you Brad!!!

  • Martha in FLorida said:

    Are there any other Losties in south Florida out there?

  • Jon from Canada said:

    When I heard Desmond was bringing Charlie to the concert, the first thing I thought was he would be knocked back into normal-time after being blasted by an Amp ala Back to the Future LMAO.

  • Jessica said:

    Wow. I am speechless. Desmond is the key, always has been. So my first post was wrong. They do seem happier in this timeline. Charlie is ALIVE and searching for Claire. Desmond has found Penny AND has Whitmore’s approval. Jack made piece with his daddy issues and settled with his son (who knows how he came to be). Sawyer chose the ‘good’ side and became a cop. Kate is (so far) free. Hurley is the luckiest man alive-not cursed. Daniel could potentially find Charlotte (both alive). And Sun could possibly survive being shot and carry their baby to term AND deliver with Jin there with her.

    Then again…this is LOST. So it could all change in an instant.

  • Madison_0218 said:

    I believe when he said, “I need something to show them”, he was referring to the people on the island - Widmore and gang. I think Desmond is aware of both “timelines” or whatever we’re calling it. I think they’re using him somehow to travel between the island and the flash sideways universe.

    Wow, MIND BLOWING episode!

  • Renee said:

    I agree with Matt….Desmond is the key to unite the two worlds.

  • Diane in NJ said:

    So Desmond and Penny are going to meet at the coffee shop. Is that the key to reuniting long lost lovers in the sideways timeline? Sawyer and Juliet will go dutch for coffee? Will Daniel and Charlotte also wind up on a coffee date? I love it!

  • Debbie In Indianapolis said:

    Ok - night all!! (yeah - like i will be able to sleep after that episode!! :) )

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    I hope they show “GOD” and it’s someone cool like Wanda Sykes! =)

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @ Matt in Sy - “Whoa. How did they get Harrold Perrineu to come back?”

    Answer: He couldn’t get work anywhere else ;)

  • Matt in Syracuse said:

    @Colleen fair point, haha

  • Kelsey said:

    all the people with accents are RELATED!!!

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    I posted on Twitter that this episode that anyone complaining should really stop complaining. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the show it’s the Jay…Nevermind. ;) But I think that this proves the best way to watch the show is just watch, not complain until the end, because we really do not know how this show will end. Great episode.

  • Erik said:

    Desmond and Penny is the best love story on TV right now in my opinion.

  • Susan said:

    I wonder if Henry Ian Cusick gets only partial salary for his appearances; he gets all the best shows!

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Kelsey - haha another good observation

  • Jessica aka jlyn1980 said:

    The Michael thing I was spoiled on last week after reading TV Guide, note do not look at TV Guide with this week’s listings there is another spoiler in there.

  • Martha in FLorida said:

    What sacrifice is Widmore talking about?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Okay guys, give me your best non-long theories so I can send them to Jay on time this week (I am SO SO SO SORRY about last week. He usually gives me a 15 minute warning but last week I didn’t get one and sent it too late. I apologize!!)

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Martha - Widmore was talking about his children. He and Ellie both sacrificed Daniel for the sake of the Island’s “Whatever happened happened” principle and Penny doesn’t talk to him now because of his treatment of Desmond which he says is for the Island’s sake too.

  • Stefanie said:

    @martha in florida

    the sacrifice may be that desmond has to “cease to exist” for everything to work out O.K. He has to sacrifice himself.

  • Nana said:

    Well I guess by now it’s clear….LOST is about LOVE….and…that’s all I’ve got after what is undoubtedly the best episode this season and probably of the entire show. I think Happily ever after can even rival Flashes before your eyes in terms of story telling, answers and just plain LOST awesomeness.
    It’s weird cause I’m more confused than ever but I feel like the answer is right there, it’s RIGHT IN FRONT OF US and my brain is about to meltdown from all the thinking.

    Ok, so facing death in the alt!universe unlocks memories from the LOST Prime timeline. They all feel LOVE when they “see the truth”, somehow Eloise knows wth is going on in this universe too and Daniel has been awakened as well (he didn,t however almost die…mmmm) through the sight if Charlotte and he is begining to piece things together.
    Desmond has become the vehicle through which to awaken the rest of our losties to teh fact that this alt!live is not supposed to be so he is once again the tool of the Universe/the Island to course correct. Still not sure how the two realities are connected in terms of time and space and what the point of this awakening to the truth is but Im absolutely loving it and dreading it, all at the same time.
    Loved the cameos (Minkowski, Daniel!!!) and seeing Charlie again. Hello to McClutcheon’s and a very telling pic in Mr.Widmore’s office. Des and Jack reconnect once again (WHAT is there only ONE hospital in all of LA!?), and I loved loved loved the mirroring of Charlie’s death and the “flashes” of that epic scene.
    I am worried however about this message they got across through Daniel that “All this doesn’t matter, it was not supposed to be our lives”….does that mean all the happiness achieved by some characters (Locke, Ben, Jack) is for naught?

    Oh, and who else thinks:

    Widmore sent Des to be captured by Sayid ON PURPOSE as he is the key to defeating MIL (who by the way is now definetly connected to the electromagnetism on the Island)

    Sideways Eloise was creeeeeeeeeeeepy when she told Des he wasn’t ready

    It’s interesting that Jin and Sun ended up together anyways, but Des and Penny didn’t.

    Des and Penny will bump into Sawyer and Juliet in the coffee shop? (just kidding on the last one ;P)

    Cant wait to hear what you guys gotta say!

  • Shard said:

    Desmond Quantum Leaped! I just KNEW this would happen!

  • Chris from RI said:

    Any idea how Ben fits into this whole picture? His relationship with Widmore seems to be that of Jacob and MIL. I wonder what will happen when they actually meet up. To me, they were the first good vs. evil…

  • Stan said:

    Eloise doesn’t want Desmond to continue looking because in the alterna-verse her son Daniel Faraday is alive, healthy, and lived the life HE wanted. Desmond may risk that by looking and uniting the two universes.

    Also, Des MAY be Jacob’s replacement (still struck by “everyone has a choice” line to Charlie - similar to Jacob’s line to Ben) but I think Jack will make a sacrifice so Des can be w/ Penny.

  • Jessica said:

    I was struck with the thought that maybe they’ve always been the same candidates, just in different timelines/realities (and with different last names like how Penny’s last name is now Milton). I know, it doesn’t make much sense, but yet there is something interesting about the thought. They just keep chancing upon ways to time travel, thus it has never “ended” before (referencing, of course Jacob’s line about how it only ends once).

    Maybe they just have yet to get their lives “right” so they have been in this continuous loop until now.

    I don’t know, it has a lot of holes but it is interesting…

  • Colleen (author) said:

    haha, yeah Stefanie answered that question WAY more on topic to what you were asking than I did lol. Sorry Martha. Thanks, Stefanie

  • Stefanie said:

    @colleen here it is (I called in but I don’t think I made any sense on my message… this episode is giving me the shakes)

    When we die we become reincarnated as ourselves and live somewhat parallel life that changes slightly every time we re-live it b/c of changes in events. The “sideways” is just a look at another version of the life that we would have after we died….???

    Proof:
    “See ya in another life” Desmond’s catch phrase

    Jacob to MIB: The same thing happens over and over but it only ends once (possibly the end of everything… ) per Widmore (everything will cease to exist)

    Explains why there are certain people in our lives that we’re drawn to, the most powerful feeling being “love” it’s b/c we’ve experienced these people “in another life” or another version of our life

    The big threat / war is that this reincarnation may be stopped or that evil (MIB) will seep into the reincarnation and our lives through time will be tainted by evil and darkness rather than evolving to a “happily every after”

    My crackpot theory and I’m sticking to it! Thanks

  • Nana said:

    PS: I agree with those that think Des’ sacrifice will have to do with his death or perhas sustitution of Jacob…something to do with not seeing Penny and Charlie again or how he just walked into the wolve’s mouth so to speak (if we believe MIL is evil-er than Widmore, and in true LOST fan fashion, I still refuse to do so).

    I wonder how Des being able to withstand huge releases of electromagnetinc energy ties into the “defeat” of MIL. More questions I guess ;P

  • Desmond'sbrother said:

    what I dont get is why he want to change thing

    I mean in sideways he still can have penny, still can have the kid, sense it takes place after the first season pilot

    most his friends still alive
    and he FILITH RICH
    Can hang with soul mate in bromances, Faraday…(will make a kicking best man)

    Looks like a sweet deal

    best let

    if he marries Penny

    Him, Danile, Charlie, and Hurley
    Can be in the HANGOVER 2…when they plan Desmond a bachelor party

    it would be awesome
    which lead me to think he may not plan to change it..just give people a choice.

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Re: Ben/Widmore from what @Chris from RI said: THat’s something I’d really like to figure out and discuss. The Ben/Widmore thing was SUCH a big deal back in season 4. How does it fit into the picture? Just Ben being stupid and banishing Widmore and playing his own little game while Widmore knew being banished would seriously hinder his chances of protecting the Island from Smokey?

  • Jon from Canada said:

    @Colleen

    I predict DriveShaft breaks the onehit wonder curse by writing a love song called “I Saw Her Jogging There”

    (Singing)

    Well, she was just 4 8 15 16 23 42,
    You know what I mean,
    And the way she looked was way beyond compare.
    So how could I dance with another (ooh)
    When I saw her joggin’ there, brother.

  • Nana said:

    @Stephanie So wait…LOST follows the hindu/buddhist rule of reincarnation in a way then no? Each time, each life, each itteration, the soul gains something new, it fullfills a new purpose and grows closer to reaching Nirvana (it only ends once, everything else is progress). In this case though, it seems each soul occupies the same body/persona each time and the circumstances shift ever so slightly so that their lives go through a different path….so how does the island fit in? What is the purpose of all this? How do Jacob and MIL fit into it? OMG WILL WE EVER UNDERSTAND WTH IS GOING ON?????? lol

  • Jon from Canada said:

    PS: I want some harmony singing from the guys. ;p

  • Mary said:

    Penny is now Penny Milton? As in “Paradise Lost” Milton?

  • timbowie said:

    I’m wondering what the Oceanic passengers do with the knowledge that there is another universe they exist in. If they are all happy, Desmond is going to have a hard time convincing them to leave their existence for craphole island.

  • Colleen (author) said:

    “Can hang with his soul mate in bromances Faraday” - Desmond’sbrother. Hahahahahahahahaha, I think that’s one of my all-time favorite YuBlog comments ever.

  • Jon from Canada said:

    @Desmond’sBrother - He’s helping because he thinks Witmore will make him get shocked and be able to return back to what you call the “better life”

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Jon from Canada - I think that Jay and Jack or Paul (Barenaked Hurley) or someone should do a parody song with your lyrics. hahahaha

  • Brat from East Lansing said:

    Loved the line by “Ring-Lady” Widmore saying to Desmond…You now have what you always wanted, my husband’s respect and approval. Well, that is true, Desmond did chose to fight for Charles Widmore’s respect over being with Penny in the first time around. Bet ya he’s regretted that one.

    Spoiler Question: When Desmond woke up at the Stadium, do you think he remembers the conversations he had with Charles Widmore and Sayid?

  • Chris from RI said:

    @ Nana — Didn’t read your whole post yet, but It seems like when Love arises or feelings are had as a result of being on the island, it changes the attitudes and actions of the pre-Oceanic characters. Same applies for the love pre-flight in some instances as well that drives them to make decisions. Everyone that felt love on the island had changed them significantly and made them feel purpose:

    – Sawyer/Juliet
    – Jack/Kate
    – Faraday/Charlotte
    – Charlie/Claire
    – Sayid/Shannon-Nadia
    – Desmond/Penny
    – Hurley/Libby

    I’m sure the list goes on, but i’m tired

  • Stefanie said:

    @nana

    come on… I didn’t say I had ALL the answers :o) that wouldn’t be any fun.

    Seriously though… I am not sure how the island fits in… maybe a doorway that allows you to see between the universes (like an evil temptation maybe that lures you in) This may be the power that MIB has but that power only exists on the island. If MIB gets off the island then the evil will get into the future universes / future lives and taint them so that they never reach nirvana / hapily ever after.

    Did anything I just wrote make sense? I’m loving reading all of the theories here… maybe i should stick to reading and not writing.

  • timbowie said:

    my brother and I had this theory earlier this season that the “magic box” that Ben referred to in Season 3 was actually pulling people from the sideways universe. It wouldn’t explain why Anthony Cooper was such a jerk to Locke since apparently he’s on good terms with his son in the Sideways.

  • timbowie said:

    Chris from RI, maybe that’s why Locke needs Kate even though she’s not a candidate. He needs a constant for Jack.

  • Stefanie said:

    @timbowie
    you just made me think of something that I had in my head a few episodes back… do we even know that Anthony Cooper is really Locke’s dad in the sideways. I know that Anthony cooper exists but maybe he isn’t Locke’s dad and that’s why they have a good relationship??? (sorry didn’t mean to get off topic here)

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Mary - I was thinking about “Paradise Lost” and I think that it has HUGE parallels to LOST and the Man in Black storyline. Anyone else read it and want to chime in?

  • Chris from RI said:

    @ Stephanie — I like your theory. And nothing here makes sense, hence the title of the show. But that is why we love.

  • e_schi said:

    question: How did Widmore know that Desmond survived the hatch imploding? Widmore was long off the island at that point, and searching high and low for it so he could come back. Where is he getting information, then, about what happened on the island post-815 crash?

  • Stefanie said:

    This episode is freaking me out. Do any of you ever have a feeling when you meet someone that you’ve met them before??? Especially in the case of your significant other — like love at first sight. I’ve had this happen numerous time.

    i.e. Meeting my hubby for the first time — I just felt sooooo comfortable with him which seemed odd.

    the other day i just told a co-worker that when I first met her i felt like I had known her for years already… like i knew her from somewhere.

    I just know i’m not going to get any sleep tonight thinking about this stuff…

  • Stefanie said:

    by the way is anyone here even watching “V” — i gave up on it a few episodes in last fall. Should i be regretting it?

  • Erik said:

    Here’s a parallel, Colleen. I was extremely LOST while reading Paradise Lost.

  • Erik said:

    Stefanie, I almost gave up on it… it’s just now starting to get a little interesting for me.

  • Stefanie said:

    @DamonLindelof just tweeted that “Desmond is trending” on twitter

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Stefanie - I have a good friend who believes that everyone’s soul has their very own timeline and very own goal to accomplish. You’re reborn over and over again until you get it “right”. This includes finding your soulmate, finding the job, right socioeconomic climate, job, etc. She thinks that some people get it right the first time and some don’t. It’s her explanation for everything from sexual preference (your soul is in love with it’s mate regardless of the gender they’re placed in in ‘this’ life), deja vu (you really have been in the same situation before), natural born talents (you were previously taught/retained them), etc. al. She was raised Catholic like me and started to study other religions and thoughts when we were in college. Her thoughts are truly always fascinated me to no end.

  • Stefanie said:

    @colleen interesting thoughts from “your friend”
    but seriously… I think these things may be what Darlton is getting at in LOST. We’ll see. I’m just soooo sad this show has to come to an end.

  • Erik said:

    Colleen, that’s honestly one of the coolest things I’ve ever heard.

  • tbrand said:

    What an amazing episode! Considering that Desmond always has been and always will be the GAME CHANGER on this show - I never had any doubt that this would be the pivotal episode of the season. So far we have all been dying to know how in the world these two realities would come together and I kept saying - one word - Desmond! I still have absolutely no idea what is going on on the Island and as always things just went from weird to REALLY weird now that Des is back in the mix…

    One other thought - this really doesn’t have anything to do with this episode specifically but I was thinking about it the other day. Okay, so it seems that most people believe that Jacob is Jacob & MIB is MIB or that they are the same person. Here’s an interesting twist - what if MIB really is Jacob and the guy walking around saying he is Jacob is someone else who somehow took his identity and trapped the real Jacob (meaning MIB) in his current condition…after all MIB did tell Richard that Jacob stole his body - maybe we was telling the truth - LITERALLY! Of course this would mean that the guy we know as Jacob is BAD BAD BAD, but never-the-less it would be a great twist.

    Not sure I even believe this idea but hey it is an interesting thought.

    Okay, one last thought - back to tonight’s episode - if the writers were using the character’s to tell the viewers what their intentions are - it would seem that according to Daniel & Desmond’s conversation that this sideways world is the “wrong” reality. That thought is interesting in itself but I think the writers are just looking for an excuse to have Jack start yelling to everyone “we have to go back!”

  • Nana said:

    Maybe it’s not that this alt!universe is not supposed to be but that the way in which it came to be (the bomb) was not right….as in, Daniel and Jack went for it but the event meant to change things is supposed to be another one (MIL leaving/dying). That would mean this universe is a “what COULD be” but shouldn’t be cause we kinda cheated in how we got it? I still cannot believe the life we’ve seen these characters live all through S1~5 is what was supposed to happen to them period. It feels like a test or a journey with a higher purpose, as in, it will affect their existence somehow so it’s not final, but more like a formality they must endure…

  • Ellie said:

    If Desmond has to sacrifice and replace Jacob that would remind me very much of Pirates of the Caribbean

  • Mike said:

    Did anyone else notice the Jurassic Park reference? It was like deja vu.

  • JordanFromJersey said:

    INCREDIBLE episode tonight.

    You can check out my full video review @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7Txz9-1gZk

    I need to go watch that again…

  • Stefanie said:

    @tbrand I like your theory on MIB and Jacob.
    The story in the bible of Jacob and Esau goes along with your theory…. that Jacob often tricked his father into thinking he was Esau and eventually tricked Esau out of his birth right as first born.

    Here’s some wikipedia for you
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

  • Mike said:

    WTF? Desmond and Widmore are buddy-buddy in the alternate timeline?

  • carol said:

    Does anybody have a link to that J.J. Abrams interview about the box?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    Wow guys, I don’t think we’ve ever had over 450 comments on a Lost episode post before. That’s AWESOME and makes me excited :)

  • Erik said:

    They’ve really ran with the whole “See you in another life, brotha” thing, haven’t they?

  • Sarah said:

    Okay, pretty off topic, but important for LOST fans, fo sho. ThinkGeek.com always does an April Fools Day group of fake “products” that they try to pass off as real products to get people to try and order them. There is seriously a Lost “countdown clock”. I was completely fooled. COMPLETELY. I mean, I had my credit card out and everything, ready to buy this stupid thing. And I find out it’s fake. Sad days. I was super disappointed. :(

    BUT! If enough people show enough interest in the fake products, they will consider making the product a reality. SOOOO - LOST FANS! I’ve entered every e-mail address I have in order to push up interest in the clock so they make it real.

    So. Everyone go here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/dharma-alarm-clock.shtml?icpg=Carousel_DharmaClock_5

    and tell ThinkGeek you want this clock!!

    BTW. I totally loved the episode. I’m looking forward to the podcast tomorrow AM. :)

  • Pete from Boston said:

    I called in tonight, twice actually - I had to amend my first call, with my first crackpot theory ever. After all these years I finally came up with one.

    Desmond’s sacrifice if giving up the love of his life, Penny, to save everyone from the island and also the world by keeping the forces of Good and Evil, or White and Black if you don’t believe in such things. He has to “warp world” (ala Mario Brothers game) to a specific time and destroy the island, using it’s natural electromagnetic energy against itself, causing it to sink. Thereby preventing the Dharma Initiative from ever setting up camp, let alone the H-Bomb team from finding their way to the island. Keeping all parties we are aware of from island and all that - though that does leave Jacob and MIB in limbo as I have not thought of a way to fit them into the equation, not yet.

    In the flash sideways Eloise told Des that he was not ready for such things as the time line from the non-sideways time line has not played out yet. AS a reminder: the flash sideways time line is from right after the plane landed and not the current time line on the island, in case that was causing some confusion. If Des is contact those people, Penny and such, and get them to see the other life they “lived” he will undo all that he had done in the other time line to “save” the people, and the world, from the island.

    Desmond is not a constant, he is not the next Jacob, he is the key to destroy the island and save the world. At least that’s how I feel, until the next episode comes along and proves me wrong … or not.

  • Genevieve said:

    I’ve never done this here, so forgive me if I’m messing it up.

    Yay for Desmond! Yay for Charlie and Yay for Daniel Faraday!!

    At first, I was like, What the hell is up with Widmore being all buddy-buddy with Des? It really threw me off! But when Charlie and Des went under the water and Des saw “Not Penny’s Boat” I got both excited and confused.

    I can’t figure out what this all means. Charlie said, “It isn’t real.” Does this mean this sideways timeline is going to disappear once Des talks to the other passengers? What is he going to say to them? Will he talk to ALL of them, or will he recognize certain names and go from there? So many questions!!!

    I’m a fairly new Lostee, if you will. I watched the first 5 seasons in 2 months, thanks to my brother’s recommendation, and I feel like I’ve been on a roller coaster ride. My husband doesn’t get it, he just knows that when LOST is on, he has to be quiet. Haha!

    I look forward to finding out what on EARTH is going on, and how they’re going to wrap this up in the next 5 episodes. *sniff*

    Oh, and “One other thought - this really doesn’t have anything to do with this episode specifically but I was thinking about it the other day. Okay, so it seems that most people believe that Jacob is Jacob & MIB is MIB or that they are the same person. Here’s an interesting twist - what if MIB really is Jacob and the guy walking around saying he is Jacob is someone else who somehow took his identity and trapped the real Jacob (meaning MIB) in his current condition…after all MIB did tell Richard that Jacob stole his body - maybe we was telling the truth - LITERALLY! Of course this would mean that the guy we know as Jacob is BAD BAD BAD, but never-the-less it would be a great twist.”

    I’ve thought that as well… it’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out!

  • Tom said:

    “CONSTANT” CRAVING!:

    All you need is love! How simple it really is guys! It turns out that LOVE is indeed the answer. It is the one thing that will save them all. Desmond has found his constant in Penny. Daniel has found his constant in Desmond. Its just one big happy family! Of course, thats not very Lostian of the writers to have so much happiness in one episode but we’ll take the feel good love story when it comes our way.

    A sappy but kind of right happy LA timeline ending: JOHN and HELEN;S WEDDING!!

    Here me out: Boone and his mother(with Shannon in two) will coordinate the wedding. Jack will operate and Locke and be his best man! Hurley of course will be there cause he helped John out. Ben and Doc Artz from the school will be in the audience. The wedding band will be Driveshaft..Charlie and brother with Daniel Faraday on keyboards! Haven’t figured out Sawyer and Miles yet but maybe they will take a coffee break while the wedding is going on. I know its half baked and you guys can fill in the rest but it would be a fun scene to see them all together and LOCKE would be redeemed!!! Jay will lived happily ever after,
    Great show guys,
    Tom in Huntington Beach, CA

  • Erin Woods said:

    Did anyone catch that Desmond called the limo driver both George and John….?

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Genevieve “what if MIB really is Jacob and the guy walking around saying he is Jacob is someone else who somehow took his identity and trapped the real Jacob (meaning MIB) in his current condition…”

    That’s a really interesting theory…

    @Erin - No, I didn’t catch that at all! George is the character’s name but I didn’t catch John. When was that?

  • lostinthought said:

    @colleen - “what if MIB really is Jacob and the guy walking around saying he is Jacob is someone else who somehow took his identity and trapped the real Jacob (meaning MIB) in his current condition…”

    that is a very interesting theory - but follow the posts - I think genevieve was commenting on the post by tbrand - so I guess it’s tbrand’s theory, not genevieve’s….

  • Colleen (author) said:

    @Lostinthought, @genevieve @tbrand - sorry, I actually read every single comment on YuBlog but sometimes there’s so many that I get confused. I’m sorry! Good thought tbrand

  • lostinthought said:

    @tom - James (Sawyer) tracks down the real Sawyer and finds out he’ll be at his son’s wedding - he and Miles go the wedding to bring him in. Or in James’ case - bring him down : )

  • Stefanie said:

    @carol

    Here’s a link to the J.J. Abrams talk about the Magic Box at the TED conference.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html

    I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet so I don’t know if it’s spoilerish, but @Brad in Indiana said it shouldn’t be a spoiler

    Enjoy.

  • carol said:

    @Stefani - thanks for taking the time to post the link. I’ll be sure to watch it.

  • Desmond'sbrother said:

    wonder Does demons got to convince the red shirts/log carriers to remember as well.. Forgurt the key

  • Erin Woods said:

    @Colleen
    last scene btw George and Desmond in limo
    “So, did you find what you were looking for?”
    “Yes, John, I did….corner of Melrose and Sweetzer, please.”

  • Anthony Todaro said:

    Just started this ep again on HULU to avoid DWTS!!! =)

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